Linode vs Fivebean...

As my Dad always told me, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

I'm good with Linode.

Jeff

What exactly do you expect to gain by asking Linode customers if they used company-x? Shouldn't you go to company-x's forums and ask them? Or better yet, try it for yourself? If you want to use a competitor, then please do, but I'd appreciate you not trolling the forums with this kind of stuff. Especially after asking the same thing on a 7-month old WHT post.

Thanks,

-Chris

OpenVZ (shared kernel), 'burstable' memory, only one location, bare bones control panel and overselling = a big NoNo. Did you not read the post by Guzpaz in the WHT thread where you also asked this question? There really is no such thing as a free lunch so if you switch to Fivebean, you'll get what you pay for.

@caker:

What exactly do you expect to gain by asking Linode customers if they used company-x? Shouldn't you go to company-x's forums and ask them? Or better yet, try it for yourself? If you want to use a competitor, then please do, but I'd appreciate you not trolling the forums with this kind of stuff. Especially after asking the same thing on a 7-month old WHT post.

Thanks,

-Chris

Hi Chris, I'm really sad to hear that from you.

I always loved your service and tryed to spread the word about you as much as I can so I really don't want to troll.

This is what I wrote some times ago on your forum:

https://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4332

Yesterday I wrote on the blog:

"I hope that your company will grow up as much as you worth.

Thanks guys, your are the #1."

Generally a forum is a place where to discuss and the discussion I opened seems reasonable to me.

I haven't understood your behaviour, if you don't like discussion like that on your forum you should tell us:

"Talking about competitor isn't allowed here".

Regarding the WHT thread I haven't said nothing bad about you, I simply advertised that you have increased the RAM and that now you are more competitive than before.

I learned that it is not important if you talk bad or good about a company, the most important thing is that someone talks about that company.

Said that I'm really offended from you and I'm sad to read that since my intention wasn't to troll but to find another 100 reason to stay with you.

@pclissold:

OpenVZ (shared kernel), 'burstable' memory, only one location, bare bones control panel and overselling = a big NoNo. Did you not read the post by Guzpaz in the WHT thread where you also asked this question? There really is no such thing as a free lunch so if you switch to Fivebean, you'll get what you pay for.

This is the answer that I was searching for… :(

It does, indeed, look like OpenVZ. Generally speaking, if you see "Burstable Memory" on the spec list, it's OpenVZ. There is some debate(*) about whether OpenVZ containers are actually VPSes at all, since you're rather limited in what you can do and the resources are generally oversubscribed.

From my quick reading of the list, I believe they're the only OpenVZ-based provider on that spreadsheet, and the benchmarks appear to be heavily slanted towards PHP-related tasks. So, they might not be too applicable to my personal situation.

(*) If there isn't, buy me a couple beers and I'll start some debate.

@caker:

What exactly do you expect to gain by asking Linode customers if they used company-x?

You severely underestimate this community's reputation for picking apart competing technology. :-)

@hoopycat:

It does, indeed, look like OpenVZ.

It is, from their website:

Our unmanaged VPS servers utilize open-source technology called OpenVZ, this technology combined with MoxieVM allows our customers full root control and management of their VPS server.

The link to the spreadsheet in the first post is malformed; to view it, you'll need to remove the trailing . I only gave it a skim, but one thing worth noting is that they're testing a Linode 360, which is now non-existent. The bump to 512M would surely effect better performance.

@hoopycat:

… There is some debate(*) about whether OpenVZ containers are actually VPSes at all …
I don't think there's that much debate. Shared kernel = not a VPS; it's virtual, but it sure isn't private – if some other user panics the kernel, your 'machine' goes down as well.

I love caker (and Linode.. I guess). And I'm making t-shirts to prove it. I'm thinking something like…

"Linode: Love it, or leave it."

"Linode: We're better than you!"

"Linode: Learn2English before you post on the forums"

"Linode: Think hard about what you type before you post it".

The third and fourth ones may be too long. It's a work in progress.

@sblantipodi:

@caker:

What exactly do you expect to gain by asking Linode customers if they used company-x? Shouldn't you go to company-x's forums and ask them? Or better yet, try it for yourself? If you want to use a competitor, then please do, but I'd appreciate you not trolling the forums with this kind of stuff. Especially after asking the same thing on a 7-month old WHT post.

Thanks,

-Chris

Hi Chris, I'm really sad to hear that from you.

I always loved your service and tryed to spread the word

…

Said that I'm really offended from you and I'm sad to read that since my intention wasn't to troll but to find another 100 reason to stay with you.

See ya, don't let the door slam you in the butt on the way out.

Whoa, for a second I thought I tuned into the Apple forum by mistake.

Everyone just take a breath.

Opinions/Questions/Comments of all types should be allowed - that's what civilized people do, they TALK about things, all things.

As to discussing Linode's competition, hiding your head in the sand won't make the competition go away, so why not get things out in the air?

Better to know exactly what your clients are thinking about your competition, and have a chance to discuss it (refute it, laugh at it, worry about it, etc) then to just assume all your clients are happy and satisfied.

Free market research should never be sneered at, nor should any customer - on the fence or otherwise.

So float those opinions so we can all discuss them (agree or disagree) - just don't make it personal (you dumbasses).

Not that anybody asked, but maybe this is a slightly different take on the response. It's the difference between walking in to an Apple store and telling the genius you believe Microsoft is superior vs asking the genius why you should choose Apple over Microsoft. Maybe its a difference in nuance with language, or maybe not, considering the other thread here recently.

Speaking of Apple, if this were the Apple forums, wouldn't this thread have already been locked? ;)

@AVonGauss:

Speaking of Apple, if this were the Apple forums, wouldn't this thread have already been locked? ;)

It probably would have been removed.

Here, though, it should be kept as 'The Linode Community At Its Worst' thread for posterity, if only for the redneck'ish 'learn to speak english' comment above.

I'm a Brit but have been living in southern Europe for years and the OP is Italian, or at least based in Italy, and I can tell you that his original post is an entirely normal thing for an Italian, or Spaniard, or Portuguese to write, and so it should be. They talk and discuss things openly and there's no malicious intent. So I think that you are correct in your nuance of language theory.

It's not my call to make, it's Caker's as we can see above, but personally I don't think that discussing competitors is out of line here on these forums, if anything it's a sign of how relaxed and at ease Linode customers are with Linode. If we, as customers, start getting together off these forums and discussing Linode competitors, it's then that Linode needs to start getting up tight and concerned surely.

I assume that everyone here 'loves Linode' or we wouldn't be here, and so who exactly is likely to leave Linode for a competitor? Nobody is, simply because for quality, expertise and all-round goodness, Linode doesn't have any competitors. Period.

I'd guess that if there gets to be a culture of 'you can discuss this but you can't discuss that' on these forums, that's when people will start looking at the competitors properly.

@Rogi:

It's not my call to make, it's Caker's as we can see above, but personally I don't think that discussing competitors is out of line here on these forums, if anything it's a sign of how relaxed and at ease Linode customers are with Linode. If we, as customers, start getting together off these forums and discussing Linode competitors, it's then that Linode needs to start getting up tight and concerned surely.

Two thoughts

1. The only opinion you're likely to get on a competitor here is "they sucked and I left them for linode". Why would anyone who is happy with someone else's service be posting here? A discussion of provider comparisons is going to be much better held at a third party forum like WHT.

2. Check OP's posting history before you go defending him. I'm not talking about english not being his primary language. Just look. we're not talking cream of the crop here.

Although linode is a good host, they aren't the best for everything.

Different providers have different strong points. I for example have a VPS with a different company because I needed a windows VPS for certain reasons. People with large projects should have backup VPS's on other providers just in case Linode manage to break something. There are also other providers which supply a much larger amount of hard drive space, for those who need more disk space than anything else.

It is not unreasonable to have a comparison of other VPS's here. In fact I'd prefer it if Linode had a preferred partner for such things, a recommendation of a host which provides things out of Linodes strong area.

waits for a Winode and Storenode to pop out of Linodes side projects

@jebblue:

@sblantipodi:

@caker:

What exactly do you expect to gain by asking Linode customers if they used company-x? Shouldn't you go to company-x's forums and ask them? Or better yet, try it for yourself? If you want to use a competitor, then please do, but I'd appreciate you not trolling the forums with this kind of stuff. Especially after asking the same thing on a 7-month old WHT post.

Thanks,

-Chris

Hi Chris, I'm really sad to hear that from you.

I always loved your service and tryed to spread the word

…

Said that I'm really offended from you and I'm sad to read that since my intention wasn't to troll but to find another 100 reason to stay with you.

See ya, don't let the door slam you in the butt on the way out.

No problem, I learned the staff policy and no problem for me if this are the rules.

After my replys when I tryed to explain my initial intention I would have expected at least a reply from chris

but I want to belive that he is too engaged to read thread like this.

I always talked about Linode's staff as a great awesome service in italian forums (WHT italian forum), obiusly after this thread

I will shut up because it's not my intention to talk bad about a service I like and it's not my intention to spread the word about a service that isn't so kind with me.

No problem, no one will die.

It was late my comment might have been a bit harsh or at least dramatic.

Yes Linode is a good service. I've tried many over the years. The technical expertise they offer, the quality of the connections, the whole experience. I just hope they don't get bought out.

@jebblue:

I just hope they don't get bought out.
Linode have already turned down at least one offer. caker has been in the business long enough to know that if Linode were to become the Xen VPN division of some big corporation, they would lose some of the 'Linodeness' and their unique selling proposition (service quality+reliability+technical expertise+ a kind of personal service that is unavailable anywhere else) would be diluted or lost.