When Do I Use IP Address vs. Include vs. "a" Parameter In SPF Record For My Postfix SMTP Self Hosted Server?
Sorry for the noob question. This is all still new to me. I configured my postfix on a VPS. My fully qualified domain name is mail.mydomain.com as an example. I already have an A record pointing to the IP address.
For now, I am only the authorized user who will be sending bulk emails from joe@news.mydomain.com
From my understanding, since I am technically the ESP (I am not using sendgrid, mailchimp, aweber, or any other 3rd party ESP to manage my email marketing campaigns), I can either include one of the following in my SPF record:
v=spf1 a:mail.mydomain.com ~all <--fully qualified domain name of my mail server VPS machine
OR
v=spf1 ip4:11.11.11.11 ~all <-- example of an IPv4 address of my machine (not my actual one)
Is this so far correct?
If yes, if at one point, I decide to sell this as a service to my clients where they're using my mail server to send bulk emails to their subscribers, what SPF record will they use for both scenarios below:
If I validated my SPF record using a:mail.mydomain.com, would my clients SPF record look something like this:
v=spf1 include:mydomain.com ~all
If I validated my SPF record using ip4:11.11.11.11, would my clients SPF record look like this:
v=spf1 include:spf.mydomain.com ~all
So I have seen spf records from the client point of view (a.k.a when the client adds a third party ESP's SPF like sendgrid, google.com, mailchimp in their DNS) contain include:_spf.google.com or include:spf.acumbamail.com or include:mailgun.org
So what determines whether my client uses include_spf.mydomain.com, include:spf.mydomain.com, or include:mydomain.com? Whether my DNS (as the ESP company) has the ipv4 address or the "a" parameter listed in my SPF record?
To say it differently. Right now, I am only 1 email sender sending bulk emails to my subscribers. The IPv4 or "a" parameter will work for my use case.
But what happens when I now offer my email marketing as a SERVICE to clients for them to send emails from their domain on behalf of my smtp server. I need to give them an SPF record.
99.9% of ESPS provide an "include" parameter followed by either their domain name or subdomain like spf.google.com.
So what do I need to do on my end or configure so I too can provide a similar spf "include" record to my clients?
I am deadbeat confused so any help with a productive response would be immensely appreciated. Please dont digress and stay on point so we dont make this discussion lengthy.
Thank you very much!
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You are correct that you can include either your mail server's FQDN (Fully Qualified Domain Name) or its IP address in your SPF record. Here are the two options you mentioned:
Using FQDN:
v=spf1 a:mail.mydomain.com ~all
Using IP:
v=spf1 ip4:11.11.11.11 ~all
Both of these choices are legitimate, and the decision between them is essentially a matter of preference, aligned with your specific server setup.
So what determines whether my client uses include_spf.mydomain.com, include:spf.mydomain.com, or include:mydomain.com? Whether my DNS (as the ESP company) has the ipv4 address or the "a" parameter listed in my SPF record?
The decision of whether to employ include:spf.mydomain.com
or include:mydomain.com
within your clients' SPF records depends on the way your SPF records have been structured. If you've created a distinct SPF record for your mail server, residing on a subdomain like spf.mydomain.com
, then your clients should include this subdomain. Conversely, if your primary domain already encompasses the SPF record for your mail server (as is the case with mydomain.com
), then they can directly include the primary domain.
But what happens when I now offer my email marketing as a SERVICE to clients for them to send emails from their domain on behalf of my smtp server. I need to give them an SPF record.
If you plan to offer this email marketing service to clients, each client should have their own unique SPF record that includes your SPF record for the mail server. Each client's SPF record should be tailored to their specific email sending needs, including any other authorized sources (e.g., their own mail servers if they have any).
For example, let's say your SPF record is configured like this for your central mail server:
v=spf1 a:mail.mydomain.com ~all
Client A wants to send emails from their domain (clientA.com) using your mail server. Their SPF record should include your SPF record as well as any other authorized sources, such as their own mail server if they have one:
v=spf1 include:mydomain.com include:clientA.com ~all
This SPF record indicates that emails from clientA.com are sent through both your mail server (mydomain.com) and their own authorized sources.
For the next client, you would replace "clientA.com" with "clientB.com" and so on.
This has been one the best response I have received to date! Very clear and understandable.
You explained it in dummy proof.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH!
Just a few follow up questions:
Regarding my SPF questions, when you say:
"The decision of whether to employ include:spf.mydomain.com or include:mydomain.com within your clients' SPF records depends on the way your SPF records have been structured. If you've created a distinct SPF record for your mail server, residing on a subdomain like spf.mydomain.com"…
What do you mean?
I cannot create an internal SPF record within my mail server's/postfix configuration files right?
All I know, whenever someone says "create an SPF record", my brain just registers this statement as the following:
- Go to your DNS (e.g. mine is with Cloudflare).
- Create a TXT record for your domain (news.mydomain.com)
- Add either the a parameter or server's IP address for the value
In order to use the spf.mydomain.com, I would need to create a distinct SPF record for my mail server, residing on this subdomain. Thereby, my clients can then use it as in the case for Google.
But out of curiosity how would that be possible if the only two SPF variants that work for me (as confirmed by my email tests) are either using the a parameter (e.g. v=spf1 a:mail.mydomain.com ~all) or IP address (v=spf1 ip4:11.11.11.11 ~all)?
Last question.
I have other domains on Cloudflare. Havent tested this out because I am still finalizing the SASL authentication on Postfix.
If I am using this SPF record for my central mail server for this email sending domain: news.mydomain.com
v=spf1 a:mail.mydomain.com ~all
Are you telling me if I wanted to use this same mail server for another sending domain I own (news.mydomain2.com assuming I dont own a mail server for this subdomain), my spf record for this 2nd sending email domain would be:
v=spf1 include:mydomain.com ~all
In other words, this second sending domain's SPF record would be "pointing" to my mail server's domain (i.e.mydomain.com) since that's where I am sending emails from?
So all I need to do is add this SPF for news.mydomain2.com Cloudflare DNS and I am good to go? I wouldnt need to configure any postfix or mail server files to "add" the include:mydomain.com value for my clients/other domains?
Thank you again for your very detailed response!
Sorry but another question came to mind.
Let me highlight the domains:
mail.mydomain.com - my fully qualified domain name for my mail server
news.mydomain.com - one email sending domain (it shares the same parent domain as my mail server)
My DNS SPF setting for news.mydomain.com is
v=spf1 a:mail.mydomain.com ~all
If I was going to configure another subdomain to send emails from the same mail server (so now I have two email sending domains) which shares the same parent domain (e.g.info.mydomain.com), what would the SPF record look like?
Because I am sharing the same parent domain as my mail server (i.e. mydomain.com) would the SPF record look like this for info.mydomain.com?
v=spf1 a:mail.mydomain.com ~all
Or would it look something like this:
v=spf1 include:mydomain.com ~all
I think it's the former because the second sending domain shares the same parent domain as the mail server.
But I would love your confirmation on this as I am lost.
Thank you very much for your time and efforts!